{"id":3584,"date":"2016-11-11T14:38:16","date_gmt":"2016-11-11T14:38:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/?p=3584"},"modified":"2016-11-11T14:50:32","modified_gmt":"2016-11-11T14:50:32","slug":"modern-rules-problems-spell-queller","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/2016\/11\/11\/modern-rules-problems-spell-queller\/","title":{"rendered":"Modern Rules Problems \u2013 Spell Queller"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><div class=\"wp-caption alignleft judgeimg\"><a href=\"https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/23131655\"><img src=https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=23131655&size=200 alt=\" Written by Nathan Long\nL2, Colorado (USA)\"><\/a><p class=\"wp-caption-text\"> Written by Nathan Long<br \/>\nL2, Colorado (USA)<\/p><\/div>I answer lots of rules questions online, and I\u2019ve noticed a lot of questions being asked about Spell Queller. At a glance, it seems pretty simple: cast it to exile a spell, and when it dies, they get to cast it again. But it\u2019s brought up a lot of questions since its release. I\u2019ve gathered many of those questions here for players and judges to hopefully answer those questions for you, so you don\u2019t have to go searching for answers.<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller in General<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Spell Queller'><\/p><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller can be cast even if there are no spells on the stack. Creature spells never target, and if there are no legal targets for the trigger when the Queller enters, the trigger is simply removed from the stack and the Queller remains on the battlefield. If you want to use the Queller as a surprise blocker or just cast it at the end of your opponent\u2019s turn, you\u2019re free to do that, even if there are no spells on the stack.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller\u2019s trigger is not optional: you have to target a spell if able. That means if you cast the Queller and the only spell on the stack is controlled by you, you have to target it and exile it.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><br style=\"clear: both; height: 1px; margin: -1px 0pt 0pt; overflow: hidden;\">Spell Queller\u2019s triggered ability does not counter the spell, it exiles it. Since it\u2019s not countering the spell, it can be used on a spell that can\u2019t be countered by spells or abilities, like <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Abrupt+Decay&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Abrupt Decay<\/a>. When the trigger resolves, the Decay is exiled and won\u2019t resolve.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">When the Queller\u2019s leave the battlefield trigger resolves, its owner can cast the spell without paying its mana cost. This gets around the normal timing restriction of a spell, since you\u2019ve been given permission to cast it at a weird time (while the Queller\u2019s trigger is resolving), so you can cast a sorcery or creature card on an opponent\u2019s turn. But you still have to obey other timing restrictions on the card. For instance, if the exiled card is <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Master+Warcraft&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Master Warcraft<\/a> and the Queller dies during the combat damage step, they won\u2019t be able to cast the Warcraft when the Queller\u2019s trigger resolves, since we\u2019re passed the point of declaring attackers.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Riftsweeper'><\/p>You can only cast the spell if it\u2019s still in exile when the trigger resolves. If the card left exile for any reason (for instance, it was shuffled into its owner\u2019s library due to a <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Riftsweeper&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Riftsweeper<\/a> trigger), you won\u2019t be able to cast it when the trigger resolves. Similarly, you can only cast the spell exiled by that copy of Spell Queller. If you have more than one, you need to keep track of which spell was exiled by each Queller.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">If the exiled card has an X in the cost, since you\u2019re casting it without paying its mana cost, the only value you can choose for X is 0. If the Queller exiles a copy of a spell, that copy ceases to exist since it\u2019s no longer on the stack, and will not be recast if the Queller leaves the battlefield.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">If the owner of the spell chooses not to cast it, then it will remain exiled for the rest of the game: they don\u2019t get another chance to cast it. They either cast it when the trigger resolves or not at all.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">When the Queller\u2019s leave the battlefield trigger resolves, you cast the spell without paying its mana cost. You can\u2019t use any alternate costs when casting the spell, since you can only use one alternate cost when casting a spell, so you couldn\u2019t cast a spell for its Awaken cost with the Queller\u2019s trigger. You can pay additional costs when casting the spell, such as Escalate costs. However, you\u2019ll have to actually pay the additional costs \u2013 they won\u2019t be free.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">If you Spell Queller a face down spell, it\u2019s turned face up when it goes to exile. When the Queller leaves the battlefield, instead of casting it face down again, its owner will cast it face up. They cannot choose to cast it face down; it must be cast face up. This is because morph is an alternate cost, and as already mentioned, you can\u2019t apply alternate costs to the exiled spell.<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller and Converted Mana Cost<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Ruinous Path'><\/p>Spell Queller\u2019s trigger can target a spell with a converted mana cost of four or less. The converted mana cost of a spell is derived from the mana cost in the upper right hand corner of the card, not what you paid to cast it. For instance, if <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Ruinous+Path&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Ruinous Path<\/a> is cast via Awaken, its converted mana cost is still three, not seven, so it can still be targeted by Spell Queller\u2019s trigger. Likewise, if an <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Elder+Deep-Fiend&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Elder Deep-Fiend<\/a> is cast via Emerge and you only end up paying three mana to cast it, the Deep-Fiend is not a legal target for the Queller\u2019s trigger, since its converted mana cost is still eight.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Keep in mind that if a spell has an X in the cost, that value will affect the card\u2019s converted mana cost.<br style=\"clear: both; height: 1px; margin: -1px 0pt 0pt; overflow: hidden;\">For instance, if the opponent cast a <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Secure+the+Wastes&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Secure the Wastes<\/a>, as long as X is three or less, the converted mana cost of the Wastes on the stack is four or less, making it a legal target for the Queller\u2019s trigger. However, if X is four or more, that means the Wastes converted mana cost on the stack is at least five, and not a legal target for the Queller\u2019s trigger.<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller and Additional Costs<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Lightning Axe'><\/p>When the Queller\u2019s leave the battlefield trigger resolves, the spell\u2019s owner can cast the spell without paying its mana cost. But that only gets around the mana cost of the spell \u2013 it won\u2019t get around any additional costs. For instance, if <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Lightning+Axe&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Lightning Axe<\/a> was exiled by the Queller and the Queller dies, if the owner of the spell wants to cast it again, they\u2019ll have to pay {5} or discard a card from their hand. Casting the spell gets around the one red mana in the mana cost, but not the additional cost of casting the Axe.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The same applies if a card like <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Thalia%2C+Guardian+of+Thraben&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Thalia, Guardian of Thraben<\/a> is in play: if the exiled spell is a noncreature spell, you\u2019ll have to pay {1} to cast it. If you can\u2019t or won\u2019t pay the additional cost, then you can\u2019t cast the spell and it remains exiled.<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller and the Oblivion Ring Trick<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Oblivion Ring'><\/p>People who have played Magic for a while are probably familiar with the <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Oblivion+Ring&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Oblivion Ring<\/a> trick: if you cast Oblivion Ring, and then remove it from the battlefield before its enter the battlefield trigger resolves, the leave the battlefield trigger would go on the stack above the enter the battlefield trigger, the leave the battlefield trigger would resolve first (doing nothing, since nothing has been exiled yet), then the enter the battlefield trigger would resolve and permanently exile the target permanent.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller works the same way: if you manage to get the Queller off of the battlefield before its enter the battlefield trigger resolves, you\u2019ll end up permanently exiling the spell and the spell\u2019s controller won\u2019t get a chance to recast it.<br style=\"clear: both; height: 1px; margin: -1px 0pt 0pt; overflow: hidden;\">Just keep in mind that you have to get rid of the Queller before the enter the battlefield trigger resolves: if the trigger resolves, then you get rid of the Queller, the spell\u2019s owner will be able to cast it.<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller and Eldrazi Displacer<\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Eldrazi Displacer'><\/p>While the Oblivion Ring trick works with Spell Queller, it won\u2019t work as well if you use a spell or ability that exiles and returns Spell Queller while the spell is resolving, like <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Eldrazi+Displacer&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Eldrazi Displacer<\/a>\u2019s ability. Spell Queller\u2019s ability is not optional, so if there\u2019s a spell on the stack you could target with the trigger, you must target it. If there are no other spells besides the initial spell on the stack after Eldrazi Displacer\u2019s trigger has resolved, the returned Queller\u2019s enter the battlefield trigger will have to target that spell. And no matter how you stack the triggers, the returned Queller\u2019s trigger will always resolve before the original Queller\u2019s enter the battlefield trigger, and the returned Queller will end up exiling the spell.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><br style=\"clear: both; height: 1px; margin: -1px 0pt 0pt; overflow: hidden;\">What if you have a Queller already on the battlefield and exiling a spell, then you use the Displacer\u2019s ability on it? The short answer is that you\u2019ll never be able to exile the same spell that your Queller is currently exiling. When Eldrazi Displacer\u2019s ability is done resolving, you have the two triggers from the Queller waiting to go on the stack: the leave the battlefield trigger that lets you cast the spell, and the enter the battlefield trigger that targets a spell to be exiled. You have to choose a legal target for the trigger when it\u2019s put on the stack, and the owner of the spell won\u2019t be able to cast it until the trigger resolves, so you can\u2019t choose to exile it again to the same Queller. That means if your opponent is sneaky, they could use their Displacer on your Queller when you cast a spell: when the Queller returns, you\u2019ll have to target your own spell to be exiled, and they\u2019ll be able to cast their spell that you originally exiled.<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify\">Spell Queller and Flashback<\/h2>\n<p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Lingering Souls'><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">What happens if you Queller a spell that was cast for its flashback cost? Flashback only applies if the card would move anywhere except the exiled zone from the stack. If the card would be exiled, then that effect will exile it, not flashback. If you Queller a flashbacked spell and the Queller leaves the battlefield, the owner of that spell will be able to cast it again. And since the spell is not being cast via flashback, when it\u2019s done resolving, the spell will end up in the graveyard again.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Thank you to <span class='judge-tooltip'><a href='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/5223921934' >Paul Baranay<\/a><span class='avatar'><img width='200' height='200' src='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=5223921934&size=200'><\/span><\/span>, <span class='judge-tooltip'><a href='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/8102291717' >Dan Collins<\/a><span class='avatar'><img width='200' height='200' src='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=8102291717&size=200'><\/span><\/span> and <span class='judge-tooltip'><a href='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/88191508' >David de la Iglesia<\/a><span class='avatar'><img width='200' height='200' src='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=88191508&size=200'><\/span><\/span> for their help proofreading and editing this article.<\/p>\n<br style=\"clear: both; height: 1px; margin: -1px 0pt 0pt; overflow: hidden;\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">If you have any questions or comments, feel free to leave them <a href=\"http:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/31409\/\">in the forum<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class='judge-tooltip'><a href='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/2311655' >Nathan Long<\/a><span class='avatar'><img width='200' height='200' src='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=2311655&#038;size=200'><\/span><\/span> takes a look at the interactions involving Spell Queller in Modern. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":253,"featured_media":3585,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[105,106,258],"language":[180],"class_list":["post-3584","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-rules_regulations","tag-modern","tag-nathan-long","tag-spell-queller","language-en"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3584","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/253"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3584"}],"version-history":[{"count":15,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3584\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3606,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3584\/revisions\/3606"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/3585"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3584"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3584"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3584"},{"taxonomy":"language","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/language?post=3584"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}