{"id":1014,"date":"2013-05-06T18:05:41","date_gmt":"2013-05-06T18:05:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/?p=1014"},"modified":"2013-09-12T10:53:42","modified_gmt":"2013-09-12T10:53:42","slug":"do-you-like-layers-that-depends","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/2013\/05\/06\/do-you-like-layers-that-depends\/","title":{"rendered":"Do you like layers? That depends!"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3>The following video contains information originally provided by <span class='judge-tooltip'><a href='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/1208473485' >Carsten Haese<\/a><span class='avatar'><img width='200' height='200' src='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=1208473485&size=200'><\/span><\/span>.<\/h3>\n<p>Overview of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=qK3V2e95jS0\">video<\/a> from the Midwest Judge Conference in Chicago, September 2012.<\/p>\n<p><strong>1. How to arrange layers?<\/strong> (1:20)<br \/>\nIt has to have consistency, intuitive results and it has to be easy to remember.<br \/>\nApply independent effects first!<\/p>\n<p><strong>2. Ordering the layers <\/strong>(4:00)<br \/>\nControl, copy, text, type, color, abilities, counters, power\/toughness, modifiers, characteristic defining abilities (CDA), effect that set and switch P\/T &#8211;&gt; But how to order these (sub)layers? Hint: &#8220;Independent first!&#8221;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Text before type. Because the text can effect the type, such as <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Blood+Moon&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Blood Moon<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Copy before control. <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Mind+Control&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Mind Control <\/a>is on a creature and you copy <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Mind+Control&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Mind Control<\/a>. In order for the control effect to be there it has to be copied first.<\/li>\n<li>Copy + control before text and type. If you copy the <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Blood+Moon&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Blood Moon<\/a> it has to there in order to change the type.<\/li>\n<li>Color before abilities. Creatures of a certain color gain a certain ability. You would want color changes after text changes.<\/li>\n<li>Last is the power\/toughness layer with its sublayers: CDA, modifiers, counters, setting and switching\n<ul>\n<li>Effects from CDA are more universal (they work in different zones) thus go before effects that set P\/T.<\/li>\n<li>Order of modifiers and counters doesn&#8217;t really matter, but modifiers are applied before counters.<\/li>\n<li>P\/T switch is last on the list<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>[expand title=&#8221;And the layers are:&#8221;]<br \/>\n1. Copy<br \/>\n2. Control<br \/>\n3. Text<br \/>\n4. Type<br \/>\n5. Color<br \/>\n6. Abilities<br \/>\n7.a P\/T CDA<br \/>\n7.b Set P\/T<br \/>\n7.c P\/T modifiers<br \/>\n7.d P\/T counters<br \/>\n7.e Switch P\/T<br \/>\n[\/expand]<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>3. Dependency and timestamp <\/strong>(12:26)<br \/>\nApplies only for effects that happen in the same layer.<br \/>\nFirst arrange the effects in a timestamp order, unless they are dependent on one another.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Humility&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Humility<\/a> was played after <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Opalescence&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Opalescence<\/a>. First apply type changing effects from <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Opalescence&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Opalescence<\/a>, then ability changing effects from <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Humility&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Humility<\/a> and finally P\/T setting in a timestamp order. So, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Humility&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Humility <\/a>becomes a creature and loses its abilities. <strong>BUT <\/strong>if an effect starts to apply in one layer (or sublayer) it will continue to be applied, even if the ability generating the effect is removed during this process. So, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Humility&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Humility<\/a> is a 1\/1 enchantment creature without abilities.<\/p>\n<p><strong>4. Ability vs effect<\/strong> (18:40)<br \/>\nObjects have abilities. Abilities create effects. Effects have interactions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>5. Examples<\/strong> (19:37)<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>a) <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Magus+of+the+Moon&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Magus of the Moon<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Humility&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Humility<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Bayou&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Bayou<\/a>. Magus&#8217;s effect is applied in layer 4, so Bayou is a Mountain, but in layer 6 Magus loses its ability. This does not reverse the process so Bayou remains a Mountain. A bit unintuitive.<\/li>\n<li>b) <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Magus+of+the+Moon&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Magus of the Moon<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Humility&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Humility<\/a> and you play <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Gruul+Turf&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Gruul Turf<\/a>. Its replacement effect changes the way that land enters the battlefield, so it enters tapped. On the battlefield it&#8217;s a mountain and since basic lands have no abilities (which is a &#8220;side effect&#8221; from layer 4) there are no triggered abilities.<\/li>\n<li>c) <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Magus+of+the+Moon&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Magus of the Moon<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Bayou&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Bayou <\/a>and you play <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Vesuva&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Vesuva<\/a>. You can choose Bayou as a target, it will enter as the chosen land, but on the battlefield it will be a Mountain. If you remove the Magus, its effect goes away.<\/li>\n<li>d) <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Humility&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Humility <\/a>and <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Goblin+Chieftain&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Goblin Chieftain<\/a>. Chieftain gives haste in layer 6 and +1\/+1 in layer 7c. Dependency in layer 6 &#8211;&gt; the Chieftain is dependent on Humility, so applying (the independent) Humility effect changes the existence of Chieftain&#8217;s. You&#8217;ll have a really humble Chieftain.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An interactive &#8220;old school&#8221; video presentation that provides an in-depth explanation of layer philosophy. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":37,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[165,114,178,109,179,98],"language":[],"class_list":["post-1014","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-game-rules","tag-carsten-haese","tag-characteristic-defining-ability","tag-effects","tag-interaction-of-continuous-effects","tag-text-changing-effects","tag-video"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1014","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/37"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1014"}],"version-history":[{"count":20,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1014\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1090,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1014\/revisions\/1090"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1014"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1014"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1014"},{"taxonomy":"language","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/conferencecontent\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/language?post=1014"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}