{"id":1119,"date":"2014-07-30T10:15:41","date_gmt":"2014-07-30T18:15:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/?p=1119"},"modified":"2015-02-05T15:07:30","modified_gmt":"2015-02-05T23:07:30","slug":"taking-out-elspeth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/2014\/07\/30\/taking-out-elspeth\/","title":{"rendered":"Taking out Elspeth"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Aegis of the Gods'><\/p>Arthur and Mr. Nigma are back at it again, playing in a Sealed GPT. On Arthur\u2019s turn, he draws <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Bolt+of+Keranos&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Bolt of Keranos<\/a>. Mr. Nigma has been pumping out an army of chump blockers with <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Elspeth%2C+Sun%26%238217%3Bs+Champion&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Elspeth, Sun&#8217;s Champion<\/a>, which is currently at 3 loyalty. Arthur triumphantly Bolts Elspeth down to 0, scrys a card to the bottom of his library, then passes the turn.<\/p>\n<p>While Mr. Nigma is untapping and taking stock of what he has left in play, he realizes he controls <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Aegis+of+the+Gods&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Aegis of the Gods<\/a>. He has hexproof. That Bolt of Keranos could never have hit Elspeth! JUDGE!<\/p>\n<p>Judges, feel free to discuss this scenario <a href=\"http:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/11538\/?page=1#post-73434\" target=\"_blank\">on Judge Apps<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p>[expand title=Answer]Arthur has definitely committed a GPE:GRV by bolting Elspeth while Mr Nigma has hexproof (as per the Aegis) and will receive a warning. While some people did briefly argue that a Looking at Extra Cards infraction might also have been appropriate &#8211; it is not, and for the reasons discussed. The first point at which something has gone wrong is the casting of the Bolt targeting Mr Nigma &#8211; performing the scry (as per the resolution of the Bolt) does not earn Arthur a L@EC infraction. <\/p>\n<p>Mr Nigma receives a warning for GPE:FTMGS \u2013 as he was not actively involved in the GRV committed by Arthur, but also failed to notice the error when it occurred. <\/p>\n<p>Additionally, this situation can likely be rewound to just before the Bolt is cast. This would include (in order):<\/p>\n<p>Confirming and retapping Mr Nigma&#8217;s permanents to the state they started the turn in<br \/>\nPlacing Elspeth back on the battlefield with 3 Loyalty counters on her<br \/>\nAccounting for any other cards whose position in the deck is known, shuffle the card that was scryed to the bottom into the random portion of Arthur&#8217;s library<br \/>\nPut the Bolt back in Arthur&#8217;s hand and untap the resources used to cast the Bolt<\/p>\n<p>Play can now continue from here\u2026[\/expand]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Arthur and Mr. Nigma are back at it again, playing in a Sealed GPT. On Arthur\u2019s turn, he draws . Mr. Nigma has been pumping out an army of chump blockers with , which is currently at 3 loyalty. 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