{"id":1390,"date":"2015-05-06T12:49:52","date_gmt":"2015-05-06T20:49:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/?p=1390"},"modified":"2015-05-13T09:49:45","modified_gmt":"2015-05-13T17:49:45","slug":"schrodingers-satyr","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/2015\/05\/06\/schrodingers-satyr\/","title":{"rendered":"Schr\u00f6dinger&#8217;s Satyr"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p><img  style='float:left'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Xenagos, the Reveler'><\/p>You are the Head and only judge of a PPTQ.<\/p>\n<p>Anna is playing against Nick in semifinals. She casts <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Xenagos%2C+the+Reveler&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Xenagos, the Reveler<\/a> and activates its &#8220;0&#8221; ability. In response, Nick plays <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Hero%26%238217%3Bs+Downfall&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Hero&#8217;s Downfall<\/a> targeting Xenagos. Anna puts Xenagos into her graveyard. Nick studies his hand while Anna touches a Satyr token in her deckbox, then pulls her hand off it, reads Xenagos and starts looking around confused. Schr\u00f6dinger the Spectator says: &#8220;You still get that token!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Nick says: &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m not sure&#8230;&#8221; and calls a judge. When you get there, Nick explains what happened, and that Schr\u00f6dinger had said what should happen. What do you do?<\/p>\n<p>Judges, feel free to discuss this scenario <a href=\"http:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/18131\/?page=1#post-117838\" target=\"_blank\">on Judge Apps<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p>[expand title=Answer]To start with the answer, this is not Outside Assistance. Even though it may look like Outside Assistance, and spectators should not intervene in a match (unless they want to stop them to call a judge), we don&#8217;t issue a Match Loss here. The definition of Outside Assistance specifically says: \u201cplay advice\u201d, and providing comprehensive rules information is not play advice. Otherwise, judges would be giving play advice all the time, but we don&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>You should talk to the spectator and explain why his behavior is not appropriate, with an instruction not to repeat it. While this particular behavior doesn&#8217;t have an infraction associated with it, it is still prohibited by the Magic Tournament Rules, which require spectators to be silent observers in a match.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes players won&#8217;t realize the difference between pointing out rules interactions vs. a strategic mistake, and could get themselves in trouble in a different circumstance. Pointing out missed triggers is also considered to be Outside Assistance because of their nature (opponents don&#8217;t have to point them out, and remembering one&#8217;s own triggers is considered a skill).<\/p>\n<p>Explain to spectators that a match is between two players, and if they see a mistake, they should call a judge (and may ask the players to pause at Competitive REL). Instruct the players to continue playing with the token on the battlefield, and don&#8217;t issue the players any infractions because no Game Play Error has been committed. 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