{"id":1404,"date":"2015-05-28T12:57:56","date_gmt":"2015-05-28T20:57:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/?p=1404"},"modified":"2015-06-24T11:00:03","modified_gmt":"2015-06-24T19:00:03","slug":"rebound-swinging","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/2015\/05\/28\/rebound-swinging\/","title":{"rendered":"Rebound swinging"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Ojutai%27s Breath'><\/p>You&#8217;re the head and only judge at a limited GPT.<\/p>\n<p>Amy is playing against Neil, and controls <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Dragonlord+Atarka&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Dragonlord Atarka<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Surrak%2C+the+Hunt+Caller&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Surrak, the Hunt Caller<\/a>. As Amy is about to enter her combat phase, Neil casts <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Ojutai%26%238217%3Bs+Breath&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Ojutai&#8217;s Breath<\/a> on her <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Dragonlord+Atarka&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Dragonlord Atarka<\/a>, placing the spell sideways beside his graveyard. Amy thinks for a bit and decides not to attack with her Surrak and passes the turn.<\/p>\n<p>Neil draws for his turn and proceeds to attack with his <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Shu+Yun%2C+the+Silent+Tempest&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest<\/a>. As Amy is about to block, Neil realizes his <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Ojutai%26%238217%3Bs+Breath&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Ojutai&#8217;s Breath<\/a> is still in exile, and calls you over.<\/p>\n<p>What do you do?<\/p>\n<p>Judges, feel free to discuss this scenario <a href=\"http:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/18650\/\" target=\"_blank\">on Judge Apps<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p>[expand title=Answer]Hello Judges! This week&#8217;s discussion went quite nicely, touching on all the points we wanted to make with this scenario.<\/p>\n<p>Everyone quickly identified that Neil had committed a GPE &#8211; Missed Trigger and would not be getting a Warning for it, as a triggered ability that lets you cast a spell for free is not considered generally detrimental. What&#8217;s more, any trigger that gives its controller the option not to do anything is never considered generally detrimental as, after all, there is the option not to do anything.<\/p>\n<p>Now, regarding the fix, two very important points were made:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Though rebound does create a delayed triggered ability, this ability does not cause a zone change; it merely lets you cast your spell. This means we can&#8217;t just resolve it immediately.<\/li>\n<li>If you look closely, you&#8217;ll notice that the IPG does not say anything about how to deal with \u201coptional\u201d triggered abilities or those that include \u201cmay\u201d in their wording; it only mentions what to do with triggers that have a default option. These latter ones are worded to include phrases like \u201cDo X. If you can&#8217;t\/don&#8217;t, do Y\u201d or \u201cUnless you do X, do Y.\u201d As such, we cannot assume that Neil chose the \u201cdefault\u201d option to not cast his spell because there is none.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So, we go back to the old trusty \u201cAmy, do you want to place Neil&#8217;s trigger at the bottom of the stack?\u201d If she decides to do so, Neil may decide whether or not to cast his Ojutai&#8217;s Breath.<br \/>\n[\/expand]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>You&#8217;re the head and only judge at a limited GPT. Amy is playing against Neil, and controls and . As Amy is about to enter her combat phase, Neil casts on her , placing the spell sideways beside his graveyard. Amy thinks for a bit and decides not to attack with her Surrak and passes [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[31,9,4],"tags":[],"language":[56],"class_list":["post-1404","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-game-rule-violation","category-missed-trigger","category-silver","language-en"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1404","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1404"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1404\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1426,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1404\/revisions\/1426"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1404"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1404"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1404"},{"taxonomy":"language","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/language?post=1404"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}