{"id":3447,"date":"2017-09-03T10:06:34","date_gmt":"2017-09-03T18:06:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/?p=3447"},"modified":"2017-09-11T23:44:43","modified_gmt":"2017-09-12T07:44:43","slug":"parle-a-ma-main","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/2017\/09\/03\/parle-a-ma-main\/","title":{"rendered":"Parle \u00e0 ma main  !"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p><img  style='float:left'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Lib\u00e9rateur des cryptes'><\/p>Anya joue contre Natalie au jour 1 d&#8217;un grand prix. A la deuxi\u00e8me partie de leur match, Anya active la premi\u00e8re capacit\u00e9 de son <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Lib%C3%A9rateur+des+cryptes&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Lib\u00e9rateur des cryptes<\/a>, d\u00e9fausse une carte et dit \u00ab je cr\u00e9e un zombie \u00bb. Elle cherche dans sa boite \u00ab Age de la destruction \u00bb, qu&#8217;elle utilise pour son deck, un jeton zombie mais qu&#8217;elle ne trouve pas imm\u00e9diatement. Elle met alors le contenu de la boite sur la table. Elle cherche encore, trouve les zombies, et remet le reste des cartes dans la boite. La partie reprend et Anya et Natalie d\u00e9couvrent toutes les deux que les quatre cartes de la main d&#8217;Anya ont disparues. Elles appellent un arbitre, et vous trouvez 19 cartes dans la boite d&#8217;Anya, s\u00e9par\u00e9es par les jetons zombies en deux groupes de 8 et 11 cartes.<\/p>\n<p>Vous investiguez et confirmez qu&#8217;Anya doit avoir 4 cartes en main consid\u00e9rant l&#8217;\u00e9tat de la partie et le nombre de tour qui sont pass\u00e9s.<\/p>\n<p>Que faites vous ?<\/p>\n<p>Arbitres, participez \u00e0 ce sc\u00e9nario sur Judge Apps <a href=\"https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/37995\/\">en fran\u00e7ais<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/37921\/\">en anglais<\/a> ou directement sur le groupe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/1191969180942292\/\">Facebook<\/a> !<\/p>\n<p>[expand title=&#8221;Solution&#8221;]Merci pour votre participation. Voici la r\u00e9ponse de ce sc\u00e9nario<\/p>\n<p>Il s&#8217;agit bien d&#8217;un HCE (Erreur de carte cach\u00e9e). Des cartes d&#8217;un set cach\u00e9, la main d&#8217;Anya, sont all\u00e9es dans un autre set cach\u00e9, la r\u00e9serve d&#8217;Anya.<\/p>\n<p>Voyons un peu les autres pr\u00e9requis pour prendre en compte le HCE:<\/p>\n<p><u><em>Originally posted by IPG 2.3 Definition, in part:<\/em><\/u><em><\/p>\n<p>A player commits an error in the game that cannot be corrected by only publicly available information and does so without his or her opponent\u2019s permission.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Cela est vrai. Nous ne pouvons pas r\u00e9parer l&#8217;erreur avec des informations publiques et comme nous sommes \u00e0 la deuxi\u00e8me partie, nous ne pouvons m\u00eame pas la r\u00e9parer en consultant la liste de deck d&#8217;Anya.<\/p>\n<p><u><em>Originally posted by IPG 2.3 Definition, in part:<\/em><\/u><em><\/p>\n<p>This infraction only applies when a card whose identity is known to only one player is in a hidden set of cards both before and after the error.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>La r\u00e9serve et la main d&#8217;Anya ne sont connues que d&#8217;elle donc cela est vrai aussi.<\/p>\n<p><u><em>Originally posted by IPG 2.3 Definition, in part:<\/em><\/u><em><\/p>\n<p>This infraction does not apply to simple dexterity errors, such as when a card being pulled off the library sticks to another card and is seen or knocked off the library. The cards themselves must be part of a distinct set intended by the player.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Anya n&#8217;avait pas l&#8217;intention de mettre sa main dans sa r\u00e9serve, mais cela n&#8217;est pas un erreur de dext\u00e9rit\u00e9. Anya a manipul\u00e9 intentionnellement chaque set de cartes, donc cette exception ne s&#8217;applique pas.<\/p>\n<p><u><em>Originally posted by IPG 2.3 Additional Remedy, in part:<\/em><\/u><em><\/p>\n<p>If a set affected by the error contains more cards than it is supposed to contain, the player reveals<br \/>\nthe set of cards that contains the excess and his or her opponent chooses a number of previously unknown<br \/>\ncards sufficient to reduce the set to the correct size. These excess cards are returned to<br \/>\nthe correct location.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Ce passage nous donne la r\u00e9paration, si nous consid\u00e9rons que nous avons bien \u00e0 faire \u00e0 un HCE ce qui semble \u00eatre le cas.<\/p>\n<p>Avant de conclure d\u00e9finitivement, consid\u00e9rons l&#8217;autre option: Deck Problem (Probl\u00e8me de Deck)<\/p>\n<p><u><em>Originally posted by IPG 3.5 Description:<\/em><\/u><em><\/p>\n<p>The contents of a deck or sideboard do not match the decklist registered and the decklist represents what the player intended to play.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Cela est vrai dans notre situation. La r\u00e9serve d&#8217;Anya contient 19 cartes et son deck 56 ce qui ne correspond pas \u00e0 sa liste de deck. Cependant, pour d\u00e9cider que cela est un HCE, nous devons trouvons quelle infraction correspond \u00e0 la cause premi\u00e8re. Ici il s&#8217;agit de l&#8217;action de mettre des cartes suppl\u00e9mentaire dans la r\u00e9serve, pas le fait qu&#8217;il y ai trop de cartes dans la r\u00e9serve. Il y a bien HCE et DP mais HCE est l&#8217;infraction que nous retenons, et la r\u00e9paration se fera en cons\u00e9quence.<\/p>\n<p>Anya re\u00e7oit un Warning pour HCE (Erreur de carte cach\u00e9e). Elle a mit des cartes suppl\u00e9mentaire dans sa r\u00e9serve et cela ne peut pas \u00eatre r\u00e9parer avec des informations publiques. Natalie regarde les 19 cartes qui sont dans la boite d&#8217;Anya et en choisi 4 qui deviennent la main d&#8217;Anya.<\/p>\n<p>Il s&#8217;agit d&#8217;une situation r\u00e9elle qui est arriv\u00e9e sur un GP. Bien sur n&#8217;h\u00e9sitez pas continuer les discussions sur le sujet.[\/expand]<\/p>\n<p>Les sc\u00e9narios du Knowledge Pool sont traduits en fran\u00e7ais par <span class='judge-tooltip'><a href='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/68605123' >J\u00e9r\u00f4me Pagola<\/a><span class='avatar'><img width='200' height='200' src='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=68605123&size=200'><\/span><\/span>, <span class='judge-tooltip'><a href='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/1069855572' >St\u00e9phane Thirard<\/a><span class='avatar'><img width='200' height='200' src='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=1069855572&size=200'><\/span><\/span> et <span class='judge-tooltip'><a href='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/judges\/dci\/6099862015' >St\u00e9phane Gobe<\/a><span class='avatar'><img width='200' height='200' src='https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/dci\/avatar?dci=6099862015&size=200'><\/span><\/span>. Merci \u00e0 eux !<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Anya joue contre Natalie au jour 1 d&#8217;un grand prix. A la deuxi\u00e8me partie de leur match, Anya active la premi\u00e8re capacit\u00e9 de son , d\u00e9fausse une carte et dit \u00ab je cr\u00e9e un zombie \u00bb. Elle cherche dans sa boite \u00ab Age de la destruction \u00bb, qu&#8217;elle utilise pour son deck, un jeton zombie [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":176,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[30,5,63],"tags":[],"language":[57],"class_list":["post-3447","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-game-play-errors","category-gold","category-hidden-card-error","language-fr"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3447","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/176"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3447"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3447\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3508,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3447\/revisions\/3508"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3447"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3447"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3447"},{"taxonomy":"language","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/language?post=3447"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}