{"id":428,"date":"2012-08-10T00:00:28","date_gmt":"2012-08-10T00:00:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/?p=428"},"modified":"2015-02-05T15:08:40","modified_gmt":"2015-02-05T23:08:40","slug":"the-celestial-slip-of-the-devil","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/2012\/08\/10\/the-celestial-slip-of-the-devil\/","title":{"rendered":"The Celestial Slip of the Devil"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img  style='float:left'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Celestial Purge'><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">At a Standard PTQ, Amun casts a <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Celestial+Purge&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Celestial Purge<\/a> on Nefertiti&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Vexing+Devil&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Vexing Devil<\/a>; as the spell resolves, Nefertiti puts the Vexing Devil in her graveyard. Amun activates <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Gideon+Jura&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Gideon Jura<\/a>&#8216;s third ability, turning him into a creature, then attacks with Gideon and all his other creatures.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Nefertiti casts a <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Tragic+Slip&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Tragic Slip<\/a>, targeting Gideon Jura. Now they both realize that the Vexing Devil is in the graveyard instead of in exile, and they call a Judge. After some investigation it is determined it was an honest mistake.<\/p>\n<br style=\"clear: both; height: 1px; margin: -1px 0pt 0pt; overflow: hidden;\">\n<p>What is the infraction, penalty, and fix (if any)?<\/p>\n<p>Judges, feel free to discuss this scenario <a href=\"http:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/1233\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p>[expand title=&#8221;View Answer&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The infraction committed is a Game Rule Violation. <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Vexing+Devil&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Vexing Devil<\/a> should have been put into exile, not into the graveyard; because the effect that caused the infraction is controlled by Amun, but the illegal action is taken by Nefertiti, they both receive a Warning for Game Play Error \u2013 Game Rule Violation.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Backing up is something the Head Judge can decide to do, but is not an ideal solution. A lot of decisions have been made since the error occured (activate <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Gideon+Jura&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Gideon Jura<\/a>, attack with everything, cast <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Tragic+Slip&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Tragic Slip<\/a>) and backing up would probably affect the course of the game.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">When not backing up (which isn&#8217;t perfect either), we don&#8217;t apply any kind of partial fixes, but the IPG provides 4 exceptions to this rule, the relevant one says: \u201cIf an object is in the wrong zone, and it is within a turn cycle of the error, put the permanent in the correct zone.\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Vexing+Devil&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Vexing Devil<\/a> should be put into exile from the graveyard.<br \/>\nNow, if <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Tragic+Slip&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Tragic Slip<\/a> resolves, it checks whether a creature has died this turn. Although <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Vexing+Devil&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Vexing Devil<\/a> was put into a graveyard, it didn&#8217;t technically die, it just was put there accidentally. So Morbid does not apply and <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Tragic+Slip&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Tragic Slip<\/a> only gives Gideon -1\/-1 until end of turn.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">So, what is our final verdict? There are situations like these that don&#8217;t have a clear best way to handle them! You as Head Judge should decide on the spot whether you want to back up or apply a partial fix. Use your judgment, that&#8217;s what you are a Judge for. Consensus was also reached among the Knowledge Pool team; most of us would not back up, because of the number of decisions that have affected the game.<\/p>\n<p>[\/expand]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At a Standard PTQ, Amun casts a on Nefertiti&#8217;s ; as the spell resolves, Nefertiti puts the Vexing Devil in her graveyard. Amun activates &#8216;s third ability, turning him into a creature, then attacks with Gideon and all his other creatures. Nefertiti casts a , targeting Gideon Jura. 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