{"id":4675,"date":"2018-03-07T06:33:29","date_gmt":"2018-03-07T14:33:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/?p=4675"},"modified":"2018-06-12T07:07:37","modified_gmt":"2018-06-12T15:07:37","slug":"exploration-extreme","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/2018\/03\/07\/exploration-extreme\/","title":{"rendered":"Exploration Extr\u00eame"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Ad\u00e9la\u00efde joue dans un PPTQ Standard. Elle lance Ranger Jadefeu<\/a>, qui se r\u00e9sout. Elle annonce la capacit\u00e9 d\u00e9clench\u00e9e d’exploration, et elle se r\u00e9sout. Elle pose sa main face cach\u00e9e devant elle et prend la carte du dessus de sa biblioth\u00e8que pour la regarder. Quand elle le fait, la deuxi\u00e8me carte de sa biblioth\u00e8que saute et glisse sur sa main, toujours face cach\u00e9e. Les joueurs ne touchent \u00e0 rien et appellent un juge.<\/p>\n

Que faites vous?<\/p>\n

N’h\u00e9sitez pas \u00e0 participer sur Judge App (https:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/3980\/<\/a>) et Facebook (https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/1191969180942292\/<\/a>)<\/p>\n

Traduit par Maxime Chausson<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

[expand title=Solution:]Analysons les diff\u00e9rentes possibilit\u00e9s<\/p>\n

Looking at Extra Cards:<\/p>\n

Cards are considered to be in a library until they touch cards in another hidden set. Once those cards have joined another hidden set, the infraction is handled as a Hidden Card Error or Game Rule Violation.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Cette option est \u00e9limin\u00e9e car le carte ne peut \u00eatre distingu\u00e9e. Si nous pouvions identifier la carte, alors on pourrait consid\u00e9rer la question.<\/p>\n

Il reste Hidden Card Error vs Game Rule Violation. Si nous appliquons HCE, cela ne sera pas un GRV. Voici se qui est requit pour HCE:<\/p>\n

A player commits an error in the game that cannot be corrected by only publicly available information
\nand does so without his or her opponent\u2019s permission.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Cela est vrai. Nous ne savons pas quelle carte dans la main d’Adelaide est la carte en trop et nous ne pouvons pas r\u00e9parer.<\/p>\n

This infraction only applies when a card whose identity is known to only one player is in a hidden set of
\ncards both before and after the error.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Cela est vrai aussi. La main est face cach\u00e9 et la deuxi\u00e8me carte du dessus de la biblioth\u00e8que n’\u00e9tait pas connue.<\/p>\n

This infraction does not apply to simple dexterity errors, such as when a card being pulled off the library
\nsticks to another card and is seen or knocked off the library. The cards themselves must be part of a
\ndistinct set intended by the player.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Ici on peut se poser la question. Est-ce simplement une erreur de dext\u00e9rit\u00e9? \u00c7a en a tout l’air mais pour une simple erreur de dext\u00e9rit\u00e9, cela a caus\u00e9 un probl\u00e8me pas si simple.<\/p>\n

Voici un peu la philosophie du HCE:<\/p>\n

Though the game state cannot be reversed to the \u2018correct\u2019 state, this error can be mitigated by giving the opponent sufficient knowledge and ability to offset the error so that it is less likely to generate advantage.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

C’est notre but ici. La partie est alt\u00e9r\u00e9e et nous devons mitiger le potentiel d’en tirer avantage pour \u00e9viter que les joueurs ne tente cette man\u0153uvre pour avoir une chance de piocher ce qu’ils ont besoin.<\/p>\n

Finalement le ruling et le suivant:<\/p>\n

Adelaide re\u00e7oit un warning pour Hidden Card Error. Son adversaire regarde la main d’Adelaide et choisi une carte qui sera m\u00e9lang\u00e9e dans sa biblioth\u00e8que.<\/strong>[\/expand]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Ad\u00e9la\u00efde joue dans un PPTQ Standard. Elle lance , qui se r\u00e9sout. Elle annonce la capacit\u00e9 d\u00e9clench\u00e9e d’exploration, et elle se r\u00e9sout. Elle pose sa main face cach\u00e9e devant elle et prend la carte du dessus de sa biblioth\u00e8que pour la regarder. Quand elle le fait, la deuxi\u00e8me carte de sa biblioth\u00e8que saute et glisse […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":409,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"language":[57],"class_list":["post-4675","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-silver","language-fr"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4675","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/409"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4675"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4675\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4677,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4675\/revisions\/4677"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4675"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4675"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4675"},{"taxonomy":"language","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/language?post=4675"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}