{"id":740,"date":"2013-06-19T08:00:04","date_gmt":"2013-06-19T16:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/?p=740"},"modified":"2015-02-05T15:08:25","modified_gmt":"2015-02-05T23:08:25","slug":"bloody-half-missed-triggers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/2013\/06\/19\/bloody-half-missed-triggers\/","title":{"rendered":"Bloody Half-Missed Triggers!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p><img  style='float:left'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Blood Artist'><\/p>Nikolai and Andrew are playing in the fourth round of a PTQ. Nikolai is being attacked by Andrew&#8217;s ground forces for exactly lethal damage. Andrew is at 2 life. Nikolai calls the judge.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHow can I help you?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Nikolai explains, \u201cA little bit ago, I had 2 spirit tokens die with my <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Blood+Artist&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Blood Artist<\/a> in play. My opponent and I both marked down my life gain.\u201d Nikolai points to his life pad to illustrate. \u201cBut I missed the life loss side of the trigger.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201dWhen did this happen?\u201c<\/p>\n<p>\u201dAbout three turns ago, I think.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Andrew says, \u201cIt&#8217;s a missed trigger, right? So he&#8230; missed it?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Nikolai says, \u201cThis makes all the difference. If I had marked down his life loss, I would have won this game last turn. But right now, I&#8217;m going to lose a game I should have won. What do we do now?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What do you rule here?<\/p>\n<p>Judges, feel free to discuss this scenario <a href=\"http:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/4689\/?page=1#post-25954\" target=\"_blank\">on Judge Apps<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p>[expand title=&#8221;View Answer&#8221;]Here&#8217;s your solution:<\/p>\n<p>Players aren&#8217;t allowed to partially miss a trigger. Our first instinct may be to treat this like a Missed Trigger. It is important to note that an improperly resolved trigger is not a missed trigger. The Missed Trigger policy says \u201cOnce any of the above obligations has been fulfilled, or the trigger has been otherwise acknowledged, further problems are treated as a Game Play Error \u2014 Game Rule Violation\u201d (2.1). In a situation of a trigger that wasn&#8217;t completely fulfilled, we are dealing with a GPE-GRV.<\/p>\n<p>To correctly \u201cfix\u201d a GRV, we can consider backing up to the point of error. Too much has happened in this game for us to back up all the way to the point of the Blood Artist trigger in question. Can we simply fix the life totals? Let&#8217;s take a look at the IPG.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If not caught within a reasonable time frame, or backing up is impossible or sufficiently complex that it could affect the course of the game, the judge should leave the game state as it is after applying state-based actions and not attempt any form of partial \u2018fix\u2019 \u2013 either reverse all actions or none, with the following exceptions:<\/p>\n<p>\u2022 If a player made an illegal choice or failed to make a required choice for a permanent on the battlefield, that player makes a legal choice.<br \/>\n\u2022 If a player forgot the turn-based action of drawing a card, that player draws a card.<br \/>\n\u2022 If a player forgot to discard or return cards from their hand to another zone, that player does so.<br \/>\n\u2022 If an object is in the wrong zone, the identity of the object was known to all players, and it is within a turn of the error, put the object in the correct zone.<br \/>\nThe game cannot be backed up. The error occurred four turns ago. Changing Andrew\u2019s life total does not fall within the acceptable four exceptions. We don&#8217;t apply any partial fix.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>An incompletely resolved trigger is not the same thing as a missed trigger, so it is not OK for a player to notice and not mention the situation like they can with a missed trigger. If the investigation reveals Andrew did notice at the time but didn&#8217;t say anything, it would only escape the Cheating infraction if we believe he didn&#8217;t know this part of the rules. Education is paramount. <\/p>\n<p>Assuming no cheating, Nikolai will get a GPE-GRV. Andrew will receive a GPE-FTMGS. The game will continue as is.<\/p>\n<p>It is important to remember that \u201cfixing\u201d life totals is not one of our partial fixes for a GRV.[\/expand]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nikolai and Andrew are playing in the fourth round of a PTQ. Nikolai is being attacked by Andrew&#8217;s ground forces for exactly lethal damage. Andrew is at 2 life. Nikolai calls the judge. \u201cHow can I help you?\u201d Nikolai explains, \u201cA little bit ago, I had 2 spirit tokens die with my in play. 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