{"id":899,"date":"2013-10-30T06:00:42","date_gmt":"2013-10-30T14:00:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/?p=899"},"modified":"2015-02-05T15:08:12","modified_gmt":"2015-02-05T23:08:12","slug":"irrelephant-ambush","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/2013\/10\/30\/irrelephant-ambush\/","title":{"rendered":"Irrelephant Ambush"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p><img  style='float:left'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Loxodon Smiter'><\/p>Anna and Nick are playing in a GPT. Anna casts <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Loxodon+Smiter&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Loxodon Smiter<\/a>. In response, Nick casts <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/knowledgepool\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Essence+Scatter&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Essence Scatter<\/a>, targeting the Smiter. When Essence Scatter resolves, Anna puts the Smiter into her graveyard. She then attacks and Nick blocks. During her second main phase, Anna casts another spell, then passes the turn. Nick untaps and draws his card for the turn. At this point, Anna realizes that Loxodon Smiter can&#8217;t be countered and calls a judge.<\/p>\n<p>What do you do?<\/p>\n<p>Judges, feel free to discuss this scenario <a href=\"http:\/\/apps.magicjudges.org\/forum\/topic\/6783\/?page=1#post-39788\" target=\"_blank\">on Judge Apps<\/a>!<\/p>\n<p>[expand title=&#8221;View Answer&#8221;]This week, we are going to break things down point by point:<\/p>\n<p>\u25cf The error was that Loxodon Smiter, a spell that can&#8217;t be countered, was countered by Essence Scatter.<br \/>\n\u25cf This is a double GRV. From IPG 2.5, \u201cIn a situation where the effect that caused the infraction is controlled by one player, but the illegal action is taken by another player, both receive a Game Play Error \u2013 Game Rule Violation.\u201d<br \/>\n\u25cb The illegal action occurs when Angie removes Smiter from the stack and puts it in her graveyard.<br \/>\n\u25cb The effect that caused the infraction is Nelson&#8217;s Essence Scatter. (The Smiter clearly never gets taken off the stack if the Essence Scatter doesn&#8217;t resolve, so it caused the infraction.)<br \/>\n\u25cf For the purposes of this scenario, we have chosen not to rewind due to complexity. As always, this decision falls to the head judge or another authorized judge at a real event.<br \/>\n\u25cf There is no partial fix available. \u201dIf an object changing zones is put into the wrong zone, the identity of the object was known to all players, and it is within a turn of the error, put the object in the correct zone,\u201c doesn&#8217;t fit because the Smiter was not trying to change zones when it incorrectly went to the graveyard.<br \/>\n\u25cf To contrast with the Boon Satyr scenario, Boon Satyr was trying to move from the stack to the battlefield when the error occurred.<\/p>\n<p>The distinction between Smiter and Satyr here may seem like splitting hairs to some. However, policy was carefully designed to support a partial fix for the Satyr but not for the Smiter. One of the most important lessons for a judge to learn is that the IPG is worded as it is for a reason. Applying technical knowledge of both the CR and IPG when a problem arises is the most important factor in fair and consistent handling of infractions. We hope that the pair of scenarios we&#8217;ve presented over the last fortnight has both helped you understand this partial fix better and encouraged you to more closely read documents and carefully examine game states.[\/expand]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Anna and Nick are playing in a GPT. Anna casts . In response, Nick casts , targeting the Smiter. When Essence Scatter resolves, Anna puts the Smiter into her graveyard. She then attacks and Nick blocks. During her second main phase, Anna casts another spell, then passes the turn. 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