{"id":261,"date":"2017-06-20T21:59:01","date_gmt":"2017-06-21T04:59:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/?p=261"},"modified":"2017-06-22T04:09:20","modified_gmt":"2017-06-22T11:09:20","slug":"a-phantom-vizier","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/2017\/06\/20\/a-phantom-vizier\/","title":{"rendered":"A Phantom Vizier"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>What does a complete real-life investigation look like? Today I&#8217;m showing you an interesting one I had to handle at GP Las Vegas.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>This was taking place in the Modern GP. The floor judge had separated the players and told me one was accusing the other of having played a\u00a0Vizier of Remedies then taking it back to his hand.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a picture of the board state I took shortly after starting:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-262\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/files\/2017\/06\/vizier-1024x786.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"980\" height=\"752\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/files\/2017\/06\/vizier-1024x786.png 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/files\/2017\/06\/vizier-300x230.png 300w, https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/files\/2017\/06\/vizier-125x96.png 125w, https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/files\/2017\/06\/vizier.png 1782w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 980px) 100vw, 980px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Before reading on, please take a few minutes to think about what you would do. What would you ask the players and how? What information can you extract from this board state?<\/p>\n<p>Keeping in mind cards might already have been moved a bit as the players were explaining their side, try to reconstruct the game and see where there might be a mismatch.<\/p>\n<p>Read on only if you struggle to recognize the cards from the pictures.<\/p>\n<p>A couple of hints about the cards visible:<\/p>\n<p>AP on the left has <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Raging+Ravine&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Raging Ravine<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Forest&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Forest<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Blackcleave+Cliffs&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Blackcleave Cliffs<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Blood+Crypt&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Blood Crypt<\/a>, 2 <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Thoughtseize&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Thoughtseize<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Fatal+Push&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Fatal Push<\/a>, 4 cards in hand.<\/p>\n<p>NAP on the right has 2 <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Temple+Garden&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Temple Garden<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Swamp&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Swamp<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Forest&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Forest<\/a>, a hand of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Vizier+of+Remedies&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Vizier of Remedies<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Gavony+Township&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Gavony Township<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Rhonas+the+Indomitable&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Rhonas the Indomitable<\/a>, a graveyard of 2 <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Chord+of+Calling&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Chord of Calling<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Marsh+Flats&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Marsh Flats<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Verdant+Catacombs&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Verdant Catacombs<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/road-to-l3\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Devoted+Druid&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Devoted Druid<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Now please read on only after thinking about it.<\/p>\n<p>Ready?<\/p>\n<p><img  style='float:left'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Vizier of Remedies'><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s how I went about it:<\/p>\n<p>Given that a player was accusing the other of cheating, I decided it was important to get written testimonies of what happened in the game. It&#8217;s turn 4 so I went with the full game, but this method can also work later by counting turns backwards. The way I chose was to talk to each player at the table while keeping the other player away. This makes it easy to look at cards, check facts (unpopular as it may be these days), and makes the discussion with the player natural. You can also ask how cards were manipulated, which might be important.<br \/>\nAs each player was telling me how the game went I wrote down the turns. AP&#8217;s story I noted as:<\/p>\n<p>NAP T1: Temple Garden tapped.<br \/>\nAP T1: Bloodstained Mire fetching Blood Crypt, Thoughtseize taking Chord of Calling.<br \/>\nNAP T2: Unspecified basic land, Devoted Druid.<br \/>\nAP T2: Raging Ravine, Fatal Push of the Druid (timing unclear).<br \/>\nNAP T3: The other basic land, Vizier of Remedies.<br \/>\nAP T3: Land, Thoughtseize taking another Chord of Calling.<br \/>\nNAP T4: Marsh Flats.<br \/>\nAP T4: Land, Scavenging Ooze, call the judge.<br \/>\n(<em>NB: I originally inferred land #3 to be Forest, but it was likely the Blackcleave Cliffs with the Forest played on turn 4<\/em>)<\/p>\n<p>As I noted down this I checked for clues on the table. I was pleased to see the cards for Thoughtseize written down. Before going to the opponent I needed a couple more pieces of information:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>When was the Vizier on the table exactly?<\/li>\n<li>What proof do we have that it was cast? Which lands were tapped for it?<\/li>\n<li>Could it have been left on the table after a Thoughtseize? How were the players handling the cards?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Thoughtseize'><\/p><br \/>\nAP claimed that the Temple and another land were tapped (not sure which). Regarding the Thoughtseize, he said that NAP handed him the cards and that AP was giving them back as he wrote them. He was unclear if it was 1 by 1 or by multiples, but definitely not the whole hand at once.<\/p>\n<p>Last, I needed strategic considerations. AP said he kept Terminate up on turn 3 instead of casting Scavenging Ooze as NAP had the Vizier. I asked why he didn&#8217;t kill it sorcery speed to play around Chord, he said he was hoping to kill some better creature.<\/p>\n<p>Now for NAP&#8217;s story. As I had a basis my notes were briefer and I only cared about contradictions. The relevant one was NAP saying he didn&#8217;t cast anything on turn 3. About lands he also wasn&#8217;t sure of the order of basics but otherwise was consistent with AP.<\/p>\n<p>What was left was card handling and strategy. NAP had a similar story to AP regarding handling Thoughtseizes: handing all cards and getting them back by multiple groups.<br \/>\nI asked how come he didn&#8217;t play anything on turn 3. He said that in this matchup vs Jund, creatures are vulnerable on the battlefield and he doesn&#8217;t feel much time pressure, so he tries to set up a turn where he can cast multiple and go off. Why not play that Rhonas the Indomitable that&#8217;s indestructible? NAP said that he was playing around Liliana of the Veil. Last, I didn&#8217;t ask about playing creatures early for the Gavony Township plan, but it was pretty obvious that it was a bad plan.<\/p>\n<p>With this, I had two pretty credible stories and no real reason to believe that one of the players was lying to me. In particular the stories hadn&#8217;t changed from the initial ones given by the floor judge (as a note, do try to keep the initial judge with you so that they can tell you if anything significant changed). The question remains: what really happened and what should I rule?<\/p>\n<p>Running the possibilities in my head, there was one scenario that matched both stories enough: that the Vizier was not cast, but on the second Thoughtseize the cards were handed back in a fashion that the Vizier stayed on the table a little bit longer than the other cards. It was still on the table when AP decided not to cast Scavenging Ooze but to keep Terminate up; NAP scooped the Vizier back to his hand (where it was) as he was starting his turn 4. So I ruled that this is what happened, no infraction, please proceed.<\/p>\n<p>In the end I thought there was a 50% chance that one of the players was lying (either the Vizier had indeed been played and then retracted or AP was falsely accusing NAP of doing that), but since that entailed a large chance of disqualifying the wrong player I stayed away from this option.<\/p>\n<p>So, how would you have gone about it yourself? Disagree about the method, the conclusion? Please leave a comment and let me know if you would like to see more of these.<\/p>\n<p>Daniel<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What does a complete real-life investigation look like? 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