{"id":551,"date":"2019-07-05T06:06:52","date_gmt":"2019-07-05T06:06:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/searegion\/?p=551"},"modified":"2021-02-16T10:34:00","modified_gmt":"2021-02-16T10:34:00","slug":"delving-deeper-yixlid-jailer-and-other-grave-shenanigans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/searegion\/2019\/07\/05\/delving-deeper-yixlid-jailer-and-other-grave-shenanigans\/","title":{"rendered":"Delving Deeper… Yixlid Jailer and other Grave Shenanigans"},"content":{"rendered":"

Hello everyone, for this month’s Delving Deeper, we will be delving into graveyards.
\nWait! What? Relax we’re talking about one of the main zones of the game, “the Graveyard zone” and to guide us more about it, we have Chuanjie Seow<\/a><\/span><\/span> L2 from Singapore.<\/p>\n

\"Chuanjie<\/a>

Chuanjie Seow<\/p><\/div>\n

You know in Magic we got loads of fun cards saying certain other cards lose abilities or becoming something else. Today we visit a once again rising superstar this time in Modern.<\/p>\n

<\/p>
\nBlanking the minds of L3s since Future Sight<\/p>\n

Oracle Text of Yixlid Jailer<\/a> is well \u201cCards in graveyards lose all abilities.\u201d
\nSimple 6 words but tonnes of headache. Why don\u2019t we check the wall \u2018o\u2019 text this card has in its Gatherer reminder text?
\nYixlid Jailer<\/a> rulings:
\n2007-05-01: This removes all abilities on all cards in all graveyards \u2014 both the ones that matter in a graveyard (dredge, Chronosavant<\/a>\u2019s ability, etc.) and those that don\u2019t.
\n2007-05-01: If an ability triggers when the object that has it is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, that ability triggers from the battlefield (such as Deadwood Treefolk<\/a> or Epochrasite<\/a>, for example), they won\u2019t be affected by Yixlid Jailer<\/a>.
\n2007-05-01: If an ability triggers when the object that has it is put into a graveyard from anywhere other than the battlefield, that ability triggers from the graveyard, (such as Krosan Tusker<\/a>, Narcomoeba<\/a>, or Quagnoth<\/a>, for example). Yixlid Jailer<\/a> will prevent those abilities from triggering at all.
\n2007-05-01: If an ability triggers when the object that has it is put into a hidden zone from a graveyard, that ability triggers from the graveyard, (such as Golgari Brownscale<\/a>), Yixlid Jailer<\/a> will prevent that ability from triggering.
\n2007-05-01: Some replacement effects cause a card to be put somewhere else instead of being put into a graveyard (such as Legacy Weapon<\/a>). These effects mean the card is never actually put into the graveyard, so Yixlid Jailer<\/a> can\u2019t affect it.
\n2007-05-01: Some cards have abilities that modify how they\u2019re put onto the battlefield. For example, Scarwood Treefolk<\/a> says \u201cScarwood Treefolk<\/a> is put onto the battlefield tapped\u201d and Triskelion<\/a> says \u201cTriskelion<\/a> enters the battlefield with three +1\/+1 counters on it.\u201d Although these cards won\u2019t have these abilities in the graveyard, they will be applied if the cards are put onto the battlefield from the graveyard (due to Zombify<\/a>, perhaps). What matters is that these cards will have these abilities on the battlefield.
\n2007-05-01: If Mistform Ultimus<\/a> is in the graveyard, the Ultimus will lose its ability that says \u201cMistform Ultimus<\/a> is every creature type,\u201d but it will still *be* all creature types. The way continuous effects work, Mistform Ultimus<\/a>\u2019s type-changing ability is applied before Yixlid Jailer<\/a>\u2019s ability removes it.
\nBOOM! Text: 1, Us: 0
\nSo let\u2019s try to beat this card by looking at its common judge questions in Modern and other Eternal formats.<\/p>\n

The Undying Messenger from the Grave
\n

<\/p>
\nMessenger has arrived!<\/p>\n

So what happens when Geralf’s Messenger<\/a> without a +1\/+1 counter dies when Yixlid Jailer<\/a> is in play?
\nSo we refer to the 2nd reminder rulings where \u201cIf an ability triggers when the object that has it is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, that ability triggers from the battlefield (such as Deadwood Treefolk or Epochrasite, for example), they won\u2019t be affected by Yixlid Jailer.\u201d
\nThe messenger will still have the undying trigger triggering.
\nThen in part 2, Undying trigger tries to bring back the messenger! What happens now?
\nThen we recall CR 614.12 \u201cTo determine which replacement effects apply and how they apply, check the characteristics of the permanent as it would exist on the battlefield\u201d
\nSo the messenger will be reanimated and still ETB tapped and make an opponent lose 2 life. As Yixlid Jailer will not affect how a permanent arriving from the graveyard enters the battlefield; any abilities it has that might affect how it enters the battlefield are taken into account, even though in the graveyard those abilities did not exist.<\/em><\/strong>
\nWhy? This rule exists mainly because permanents can enter the battlefield from private zones such as hands or libraries (think Finale of Devastation<\/a> or Elvish Piper<\/a>) and the game cannot look in those zones to determine what will be happening.<\/p>\n

Flashing Back <\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

Jailed pew
\nSo with Yixlid Jailer<\/a> in play, cards with Flashback like Lava Dart<\/a> in the graveyard loses their ability to Flashback the spell as the Jailer removes the Flashback ability.
\nAnd no you cannot try to Flashback Lava Dart<\/a> to shoot the Jailer as once Yixlid Jailer<\/a> enters the battlefield, Lava Dart<\/a> loses its ability to Flashback.
\nSo what happens when I cast Snapcaster Mage<\/a> and target the Lava Dart<\/a> in my graveyard with its ETB ability?<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

Mr Chan always legit<\/p>\n

So we have to recall CR 613.2. As Yixlid Jailer<\/a> losing abilities and Snapcaster Mage<\/a>\u2019s ETB lets Lava Dart <\/a>to gain ability, we will have to apply the effect in timestamp order.
\nIf Yixlid Jailer<\/a> is in play then Snapcaster Mage<\/a> grants Lava Dart<\/a> Flashback, Lava Dart<\/a> can be Flashback\u2019ed via R.
\nIf Snapcaster Mage<\/a> grants Lava Dart<\/a> Flashback then Yixlid Jailer<\/a> enters play, Lava Dart loses<\/a> both its Flashback ability via R or mountain sacrifice.<\/p>\n

Jellyfish Illusion Shenanigans<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

So how about Yixlid Jailer<\/a>\u2019s use of Jailing the damned such as Narcomoeba<\/a>.
\nWhat happens when Narcomoeba<\/a> gets milled from your library with Yixlid Jailer<\/a> in play?<\/p>\n

We recall the 3rd reminder rulings \u201c<If an ability triggers when the object that has it is put into a graveyard from anywhere other than the battlefield, that ability triggers from the graveyard,(Narcomoeba). Yixlid Jailer<\/a> will prevent those abilities from triggering at all.\u201d<\/p>\n

This is because Narcomoeba<\/a> loses its ability when it enters the graveyard and no ETGrave ability triggered.
\nSo the Jailer of the Damned will not let them enter play to haunt your plans to enter top 8.<\/p>\n

Hogaak and Friends<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>
\nJailed<\/p>\n

Yixlid Jailer<\/a> exercises his right to remove all of Hogaak\u2019s abilities when the skeletal monstrosity is in the graveyard. No trample, no convoke, no delve, no way to cast from graveyard and only an 8\/8.<\/p>\n

If the effect another card allows you to cast Hogaak from the graveyard, for example, with an Underworld Breach<\/a> that has a later timestamp than Yixlid Jailer, you will move it on the stack as\u00a0 the first step of casting it. Since it’s not in the graveyard anymore, you can delve and\/or convoke when you pay the costs to cast it, but you still cannot spend mana.<\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

No Dredge no GTT No matter what<\/p>\n

So our little imp will be jailed right
\nwhere it belongs in the graveyard and
\nbe disallowed to keep bouncing back to
\nits owner\u2019s hand by milling 5 cards
\ninstead of letting his owner draw a
\ncard.
\nStinky also cannot fly in the graveyard
\nand is not that stinky anymore to make
\nyour creature die to its smell. I guess
\nYixlid Jailer<\/a> likes its
\nprisoners clean and smelling fresh.<\/p>\n

Jailing the Titans of Magic <\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n

Emmy just wants to rest<\/p>\n

With Yixlid Jailer<\/a> in
\nplay, when Mademoiselle Emmy hits the graveyard, her owner does not shuffle their graveyard. Note the \u201cWhen<\/strong> Emrakul is put into a graveyard…\u201d tells us it’s a triggered ability. ‘From anywhere<\/strong>‘ is what tells us it is a trigger that triggers from the graveyard, just nice for Yixlid Jailer<\/a> to remove that ability before it even triggers.<\/p>\n

Cannot be stopped nor
\njailed<\/strong>
\n

<\/p><\/p>\n

However in the case of
\nBlightsteel Colossus<\/a>
\n(Darksteel Colossus<\/a> &
\nProgenitus<\/a>), their oracle text reads \u201cIf Blightsteel Colossus<\/a> would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal it and shuffle it into its owner\u2019s library instead<\/strong>.\u201d signifying that this is a replacement effect. So the replacement effect replaces the event when Blightsteel Colossus<\/a> being placed in graveyard. Hence Blightsteel Colossus<\/a> never hits the graveyard, it gets shuffled back to its owner\u2019s library.<\/p>\n

Other Grave Shenanigans<\/strong>
\nSince we are in the topic of graveyard shenanigans, why don\u2019t we look into other situations where opponents of dredge masters might get really confused.<\/p>\n

Bridges of Dredge<\/strong><\/p>\n

<\/p>
\nBridging you to your doom<\/p>\n

Note that Bridge from Below<\/a> has the intervening if clause in both its abilities.
\nHence the Bridge\u2019s ability will trigger and when the trigger will check again to see if the Bridge from Below<\/a> is still in the graveyard when the ability resolves.<\/p>\n

Now to examples!<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

From Vampire to Zombie<\/strong><\/p>\n

So what if you have Bridge from Below<\/a> in your hand and you discard it to Insolent Neonate<\/a>\u2019s activated ability?
\nIt really depends how you pay for the activated ability\u2019s cost. If you choose to discard the Bridge from Below<\/a> then sacrifice Insolent Neonate<\/a>, you will get a zombie token. This is because Bridge is already in the graveyard and then Insolent Neonate<\/a> gets sacrificed, triggering Bridge from Below\u2019s triggered ability.
\nIf you paid the cost the other way round, you will not get the zombie as Insolent Neonate<\/a> hit the graveyard before Bridge from Below<\/a>.<\/p>\n


\nNo crossing of bridges for brains today sir<\/strong><\/p>\n

What if there is Yixlid Jailer<\/a> in play and Bridge from Below<\/a> in the graveyard?
\nWell that is simple, Yixlid Jailer<\/a> blanks the text on Bridge from Below<\/a> as if Bridge from Below is on the battlefield. With no abilities.<\/p>\n

Post Verified by: L3 Smith Lo<\/strong><\/a><\/span><\/span>
\nThanks to Klaus Lassacher for pointing out the mistake in the Hogaak section, and to Steven Zwanger and Charlotte Sable for verifying it!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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