{"id":1353,"date":"2017-07-13T18:13:42","date_gmt":"2017-07-13T16:13:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/?p=1353"},"modified":"2017-07-13T18:13:42","modified_gmt":"2017-07-13T16:13:42","slug":"miscommunication-yes-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/2017\/07\/13\/miscommunication-yes-again\/","title":{"rendered":"Miscommunication (yes, again)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Welcome back to What\u2019s Up Docs?!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>As you may have read in <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/coordinators\/2017\/06\/30\/from-the-pc-desk-jun-2017\/\">this announcement<\/a>, one of the reasons I\u2019ve resigned from being a Program Coordinator was that I could not find the time to enjoy talking about tournaments and policy situations on What\u2019s Up Docs. It took me some time to <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Restore+Balance&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Restore Balance<\/a> in my life but, well, the fact I\u2019m actually writing this while making a pause from dismantling my furniture before permanently moving to Paris tomorrow seems a good sign.<\/p>\n<p>So what exciting has happened at my GPs in the past months? Miscommunication<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Way too similar names<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Vizier of Remedies'><\/p>I\u2019ve talked about this topic several times already but this situation was one of the touchiest I\u2019ve had to deal with.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>The Situation <\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>AP casts <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Path+to+Exile&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Path to Exile<\/a> targeting <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Vizier+of+Remedies&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Vizier of Remedies<\/a>, not physically displaying the target NAP responds by sacrificing <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Viscera+Seer&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Viscera Seer<\/a> to scry. AP then passes the turn, NAP untaps and draws a card.<\/p>\n<p>At that point, AP asks why NAP\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Vizier+of+Remedies&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Vizier of Remedies<\/a> is still on the battlefield. They call a judge<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><p><img  style='float:left'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Viscera Seer'><\/p>The Investigation<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I asked NAP why he believed that AP targeted Viscera Seer. He told me that AP didn\u2019t physically demonstrate the target and that he heard \u201cSeer\u201d (which is not so far from the second syllable of \u201cVizier\u201d). I was puzzled by the statement as I felt that players usually target the Vizier and asked why NAP felt this play would make any sense. NAP said that he plays only one Seer in his deck and that, while killing the Vizier would indeed prevent him from making infinite mana (he also has <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Devoted+Druid&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Devoted Druid<\/a> on the battlefield that he just cast), he has nothing great to do with the mana and he already has 7 mana sources, which means he doesn\u2019t really need the mana, he needs to have access to the Scry. I argued that he plays some <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Eternal+Witness&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Eternal Witness<\/a>es, which he agreed with, yet he indicated he has more Viziers than Witnesses left in the deck, hence the good play from his opponent was to make him sacrifice the Viscera Seer.<\/p>\n<p>While most of the reasoning displayed here is very contextual and potentially not accessible to AP, that at least felt like a good explanation as to why NAP would think he&#8217;d target Viscera Seer.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>AP, on his side, confirmed that he only verbally announced the target. He also indicated that, against these decks, he knows they should always target the Vizier. I asked him how he didn\u2019t notice until NAP had untapped and drawn that the Vizier was still there. He said he didn\u2019t pay much attention.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Overall, NAP displayed a much larger understanding of the game state and I could double check his statements versus his actual deck content. Also, the strategic reasoning made sense. It might not have been optimal (I can\u2019t safely evaluate that) but I couldn\u2019t find a significant flaw in them, therefore I concluded NAP didn\u2019t cheat.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Eternal Witness'><\/p>The decision<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Since I excluded Cheating, I needed to know how to make that game resume. Partial fixing is not supported and backing up was really touchy since NAP had 4 or 5 cards in hand and a fetchland on the battlefield. Had I backed up, I might have allowed NAP to mini-brainstorm.<\/p>\n<p>But outside of these considerations, I tried to evaluate who was the most responsible for this situation:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>NAP did not perform AP\u2019s instruction correctly<\/li>\n<li>AP verbally communicated, but it was an incomplete card name<\/li>\n<li>AP didn\u2019t point the target physically<\/li>\n<li>AP didn\u2019t notice anything until NAP performed successively:\n<ul>\n<li>Scrying<\/li>\n<li>untapping<\/li>\n<li>drawing<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>While I agreed that NAP didn\u2019t perform the expected action, I felt that AP did not do any effort to double check what was happening in the match. Considering I hadn\u2019t determined NAP had committed Cheating, then I felt that AP was more responsible for the game state and chose to let the situation as it is: By not speaking up until it was very late and considering there was a legitimate unclarity, AP kind of implicitly agreed that Viscera Seer was the target. He never explicitly did but he totally failed to not make the game look as if he did.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>Afterthoughts<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>No afterthoughts really. I feel confident in the decision. Under slightly different circumstances, I could have backed up, even though the presence of fetchland was very likely to undermine the possibility (but I don\u2019t want to say it was a total blocker either)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Starting one\u2019s turn (way) too early<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><p><img  style='float:right'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Lifecrafter%27s Bestiary'><\/p>Another miscommunication situation, which is very interesting because, for once, I chose to backup as a default, which is something I <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/2015\/09\/30\/miscommunication-you-need-to-make-a-decision\/\">usually recommend avoiding<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>The Situation<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>During their upkeep, AP resolves <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Lifecrafter%26%238217%3Bs+Bestiary&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Lifecrafter&#8217;s Bestiary<\/a>\u2019s scry and says something.<\/p>\n<p>NAP activates <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.magicjudges.org\/whatsupdocs\/wp-content\/plugins\/lems-mtg-helper\/lems-mtg-helper-cardfinder.php?find=Shielded+Aether+Thief&width=223&height=310\" class=\"jTip\" name=\"\">Shielded Aether Thief<\/a>, draws a card then takes another card from the top of their library. At this moment, AP stops NAP, asking why NAP is drawing an additional card. NAP indicates they\u2019re drawing for their turn and they call a judge.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em><p><img  style='float:left'  class='lems-mtg-cardimg' src='http:\/\/gatherer.wizards.com\/Handlers\/Image.ashx?size=small&type=card&name=Shielded Aether Thief'><\/p>The Investigation<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I first took a look at the board. It is stalled and I can see that AP has 9 lands and 7 cards in hand. This made me wonder why NAP thought AP could be passing the turn without casting anything.<\/p>\n<p>I decided to clear this up with NAP first. NAP said that they heard \u201cGo\u201d and it didn\u2019t seem unreasonable based on what happened in the previous turns: Sometimes they play creatures, sometimes they passed and relied on spells. NAP expects AP to hold many instants. Both players haven\u2019t been attacking much, and life pads confirm this.<\/p>\n<p>AP, on their side, reported that they said \u201cDraw\u201d, which, based on the board state and the fact they just resolved an upkeep trigger, seems reasonable. I asked why it didn\u2019t ring a bell that the Thief was used in their upkeep while it was one of the reasons AP had a hard time attacking this game. I can\u2019t remember the answer exactly but it wasn\u2019t super convincing, as if AP was happy that NAP would misplay.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>The decision<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I felt that it was reasonable for AP to ask if they could draw after they scried. I was less confident in the legitimacy of AP not confirming that NAP activated the Thief in their upkeep, although they certainly don\u2019t [i]need[\/i] to call attention to it as it is not an infraction, but this should have rang a bell and most of the time leads to questions like &#8220;in my upkeep?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I felt that it was not unreasonable for NAP to believe that AP said go based on the previous turns&#8217; descriptions both players agreed on. I was a bit puzzled by the fact AP hadn\u2019t drawn their card for the turn but NAP said they didn\u2019t pay attention and just heard \u201cgo\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>I couldn\u2019t really be convinced that any of the players was Cheating here and I doubted that one player was more responsible than the other for the mistake. Also, had AP wanted to push the mistake to try to get a more severe penalty for their opponent, they could have waited for the second card to be drawn, maybe hoping to get HCE (or a GL if they&#8217;re outdated). The fact they drew attention before the second card was drawn doesn&#8217;t align with this.<\/p>\n<p>In the end, I backed up to the point of the mistake, which means to AP\u2019s upkeep. I cancelled the activation of the Thief, making NAP put a card at random back to the top of their library and made AP resumed their turn.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>Afterthoughts<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s one of these situations where none of the players actually made a mistake and, unlike some others situations I\u2019ve talked about, nobody is really responsible for the mistake. While I\u2019ve said multiple times that backing up is often equivalent to favoring one player, this is one of the situations where it isn\u2019t really. Of course NAP did a small brainstorm but, in fairness, that brainstorm was diluted in an already full hand so it was less of an issue.<\/p>\n<p>Note that in this case, NAP was stopped before drawing the second card, but even if NAP had drawn that second card, I still wouldn\u2019t have ruled HCE if they had. Indeed, they\u2019re drawing a legitimate card: Their Draw Step, which is where they genuinely believe they are. Indeed, if they weren\u2019t genuinely believing this, then the appropriate penalty wouldn\u2019t be HCE but USC-Cheating.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Kevin Desprez.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Welcome back to What\u2019s Up Docs?! &nbsp; As you may have read in this announcement, one of the reasons I\u2019ve resigned from being a Program Coordinator was that I could not find the time to enjoy talking about tournaments and policy situations on What\u2019s Up Docs. 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